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evidence like this these are the actual

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holes as you know a UFO landed on a

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highway down there there were four all

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together

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correct uh took a bit burned how does

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this rank as evidence Dr McDonald

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well of course uh physical evidence is

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how to adjust the excuse me just the

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sort of thing that um my scientific

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colleagues and I too are looking for all

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the time uh anecdotal data subjective

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observations are of great interest and

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pertinent but uh physical evidence is

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badly needed and there is more of this

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than most persons would realize and most

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scientists would realize there are quite

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a range of magnetic uh effects

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magnetographs have been driven off scale

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cut watches have been stopped Compass is

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Disturbed ships compasses radio

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compasses and so on great many cases of

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uh disturbance of uh car engines cars

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have been stopped I suppose that there

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must be 100 to 150 rather well

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authenticated cases of cars stopped

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there have been power disturbances on

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small systems and large coincident with

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this doesn't prove it that it's cause

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and effect but there are too many

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instances of malfunctions and

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disturbances of Power Systems coincident

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with objects of an unconventional nature

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in the vicinity to ignore that category

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of data so there really is a much better

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broader range of effects than many

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persons are aware of and I've been

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attempting to check into every one of

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these as best I can I don't know how

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important for instance are photographs

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photographs are potentially very

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important but there are many more hoax

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photos than there are genuine photos

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unfortunately you can sell a photo and

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that possibility opens the the doors to

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fraud and Fabrication and icap has done

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a great deal of checking on this as have

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other groups and the University of

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Colorado is doing a lot of checking

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there are a few cases that really seem

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to stand very close scrutiny and one of

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these for example is the is the Heflin

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photos well now what is the attitude of

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science towards UFOs I mean uh is it

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beginning to change or is it still

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mostly skeptical oh it's it's beginning

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to change but it is still largely

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skeptical and it's it's quite

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understandable they have been assured

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that the problem has been looked at by

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official agencies and it is a problem in

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which the type of data is less than

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ideal to understate it it's largely

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reports subjective reports of witnesses

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but and this is the point I would

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emphasize after a year and a half study

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of the problem when you go to the

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Witnesses in many of these cases when

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you sort through there are so many

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examples of Highly credible Witnesses

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completely stable people of excellent

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reputation when you check around a bit

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who have seen utterly unconventional

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objects maneuvering at low or sometimes

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high altitude that to regard this as

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anything but a problem of considerable

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scientific importance I think will be to

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miss something that we've already missed

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far too long 20 years as a scientist I

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regarded as extremely urgent because

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here is a really unusual problem that is

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going unattended by the scientific

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Community throughout the world

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apparently the situation is no different

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in England Russia I've been in Australia

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recently and I think it's scientifically

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uh well almost scandalous that we're

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ignoring this long-standing problem in

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the way that we and scientific Community

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have ignored it well science doesn't

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want to sanctify it because it regards

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the evidence as not good scientific

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evidence so you have a vicious cycle

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that's uh not very common in science we

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don't usually move ahead in areas this

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way in science and so the problem is how

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to take an originally subjectively

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reported category of data of most

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unusual nature and convince scientists

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that they ought to take it seriously my

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effort has been to personally

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investigate cases check for example many

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nightcap cases and other cases here and

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in other parts of the world as best I

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can and some of them I feel I've done

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quite a thorough check and find out for

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myself whether the accounts are as

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provocative and as unusual as they seem